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Haven't had a poll in a while, and I've thought up a few questions. I'm starting to draft the email I send out to folks letting them know when my annual trip is.
:chicken:
skidude
10-28-2003, 04:22 PM
1. Tucks
2. I think I posted Medium (but it was not as bad as I expected it to be)
3. Single black (Didn;t seem that steep)
BladeGirl
10-28-2003, 06:32 PM
To answer the "how hard is the hike" question I assumed worst (but realistic) conditions. That included the fact that one was hiking it with a heavy pack o' gear, and that the descent hike (if too late in the season to ski down) could be on steep icy rocks. I would imagine in the summer w/o gear its a rather different experience.
And skidudeski, where did you ski that it did not seem that steep?
-BG
skicdave
10-28-2003, 06:40 PM
Question #1 was hard... I use at least 3 depending...
Question #2 should be qualified for those times you might have stayed up partying the night before.
Answering :chicken: is just being :chicken: !
skidudeski:
3. Single black (Didn;t seem that steep) I don't think you skiied the headwall. The lip and waterfall are very steep - i.e. you can't see over them when you're standing above them. The chute is pretty damn steep too.
Left gully, Hillman's and udner the headwall are all pretty much single diamonds on most people's rating systems.
Skilasnow
10-29-2003, 10:02 AM
Tux is a suit of clothing
I've got a "Tux" bumper sticker on my car. Got it at the pinkham visitor's center - came with a "TR" and a "TUX" euro style sticker.
The top of LGulley and Hillmans get REALLY steep... Depends on when you go - I guess...
M@:
skidudeski:
3. Single black (Didn;t seem that steep) I don't think you skiied the headwall. The lip and waterfall are very steep - i.e. you can't see over them when you're standing above them. The chute is pretty damn steep too.
Left gully, Hillman's and udner the headwall are all pretty much single diamonds on most people's rating systems.
skicdave
10-29-2003, 11:21 AM
M@:
I don't think you skiied the headwall. The lip and waterfall are very steep - i.e. you can't see over them when you're standing above them. The chute is pretty damn steep too.
Left gully, Hillman's and udner the headwall are all pretty much single diamonds on most people's rating systems. I agree. Specifically Hillman's and Left Gully are single diamonds... well at least once you have your skis on. Its the hike up in ski boots with all those rock walls around that get you thinking differently... 'heck this is nuts!!!'.
Slippery ski boots + steeps + rocks don't mix.
Once the skis are on, its a totally different feeling.
The Chute is a different story though. I'd give it 2 diamonds plus gold badge for bravery. I've seen too many wipeouts with almost a 90% guarantee of at least sideswipping a rock wall and/or getting banged up.
I've watched a lot of people tumble down the chute too - some from pretty high up, but I've never seen anyone hit the rocks. Kind of like they are funneled the same way it funnels the snow. I always cringe as they slide through the neck though.
skicdave
10-29-2003, 11:27 AM
M@:
I don't think you skiied the headwall. The lip and waterfall are very steep - i.e. you can't see over them when you're standing above them. The chute is pretty damn steep too.
Left gully, Hillman's and udner the headwall are all pretty much single diamonds on most people's rating systems. I agree. Specifically Hillman's and Left Gully are http://timefortuckerman.com/ubb/blkdiamond.gif ... well at least once you have your skis on. Its the hike up in ski boots with all those rock walls around that get you thinking differently... 'heck this is nuts!!!'.
Slippery ski boots + steeps + rocks don't mix. I give going up Hillman's or Left Gully a http://timefortuckerman.com/ubb/doubleblkdiamond.gif . Once the skis are on, its a totally different feeling.
The Chute is a different story though. I'd give it http://timefortuckerman.com/ubb/doubleblkdiamond.gif plus gold badge for bravery. I've seen too many wipeouts with almost a 90% guarantee of at least sideswipping a rock wall and/or getting banged up.
Heading up The Chute in ski boots? I rate it http://timefortuckerman.com/ubb/doubleblkdiamond.gif http://timefortuckerman.com/ubb/doubleblkdiamond.gif
boarder25
10-29-2003, 12:01 PM
Those were good questions.It's good to get everyones aspect on things.
kfarrar
10-29-2003, 02:08 PM
One of the things that make Tucks seem more difficult from the average black or double black here on the East Coast in that there are no trees. It's one great big wide open space which, for myself makes it seem scarier. And I definatley agree that walking up it is way scarier than skiing it.
Skilasnow
10-29-2003, 03:05 PM
M@:
I've got a "Tux" bumper sticker on my car. Got it at the pinkham visitor's center - came with a "TR" and a "TUX" euro style sticker. I know, I've seen them. I still say Tux is a suit of clothing. :rolleyes: :p
2plankerider
10-29-2003, 04:48 PM
one modification i would like to make for the record. hike is EASY (unless you are REALLY REALLY hungover, then it sucks A$$) :D
NH_tele
10-29-2003, 08:21 PM
skicdave
I agree. Specifically Hillman's and Left Gully are single diamonds... well at least once you have your skis on. Its the hike up in ski boots with all those rock walls around that get you thinking differently... 'heck this is nuts!!!'.
Slippery ski boots + steeps + rocks don't mix.
Once the skis are on, its a totally different feeling.
The Chute is a different story though. I'd give it 2 diamonds plus gold badge for bravery. I've seen too many wipeouts with almost a 90% guarantee of at least sideswipping a rock wall and/or getting banged up. [/QB]My T2's actually have pretty good soles that don't slip much on rocks & such :D
But I'd definitely say that unless you're skiing something like Dodge's the :happyhiker: is much scarier than the :skicool:
The climb is the easy part...but then I cheat. I use the tails of both skis as seperate self-belay points by thrusting them deep into the snow. In my rekonning anything over 35 degrees is http://timefortuckerman.com/ubb/blkdiamond.gif anything over 40 degrees is http://timefortuckerman.com/ubb/doubleblkdiamond.gif and so on for every 5 degrees. Get enough rocks and/or trees into the picture and a 30 degree slope gould be http://timefortuckerman.com/ubb/doubleblkdiamond.gif. Throw in multiple fall lines and it gets really wild.
skidude
10-30-2003, 12:32 PM
No I didn't go up to the headwall. As I took your advise I only went up to were all the trails come togher into a big bowl. It was about as high as everyone else was going so we desided that we had better top there. Anyway next year I hope to go all the way up...and ski allll the way down (to the base of tucks so i don't need to hike down.
The ski down is great, from HoJo to Pinkham on the sherburn. I think it took like 15 min when I did the whole thing for the first time this year.
Problem with that is, you gotta go early enough. Plenty of skiing left in the bowl long after the sherburn is gone.
M@
M@:
Problem with that is, you gotta go early enough. Plenty of skiing left in the bowl long after the sherburn is gone.
M@ Well that and the bumps get pretty outta control becuase it's skied so much... Wich normally wouldnt be a problem - but with 60 pounds on your back... It can get pretty hairy!
Yeah - I know what you mean about the bumps. I came around a corner and the bumps where bigger than I anticipated and almost lost it... hard to just hop around with that pack on. And there are lots of corners on sherburn.
skidude
10-30-2003, 02:58 PM
DMC:
M@:
Problem with that is, you gotta go early enough. Plenty of skiing left in the bowl long after the sherburn is gone.
M@ Well that and the bumps get pretty outta control becuase it's skied so much... Wich normally wouldnt be a problem - but with 60 pounds on your back... It can get pretty hairy! Its not 60 lbs going down....you have your skis and boots on. The only thing which could possible still make it 60lbs would be a :keg: or a bunch of :beer: s
Ski stuff wieghs a lot more than snowboard stuff...
Back when I was a youngster, the moguls were so big we had no trouble outrunning the Cave Bears or the Sabertooth Tigers. Our packs were full with hundreds of pounds of Mammoth meat and by the time we got to the bottom enough chunks had fallen out to distract the nasty beasts ;)
BladeGirl
10-30-2003, 05:20 PM
RR:
Back when I was a youngster, the moguls were so big we had no trouble outrunning the Cave Bears or the Sabertooth Tigers. Our packs were full with hundreds of pounds of Mammoth meat and by the time we got to the bottom enough chunks had fallen out to distract the nasty beasts ;) We'd take a couple a porkupines and strap 'em upside down to the bottoms of our boots to use as crampons. Our wooden ski poles were sharpened to be used as spears to kill the mogul mice.
-BG
kmrnskier
10-30-2003, 10:19 PM
BladeGirl:
RR:
Back when I was a youngster, the moguls were so big we had no trouble outrunning the Cave Bears or the Sabertooth Tigers. Our packs were full with hundreds of pounds of Mammoth meat and by the time we got to the bottom enough chunks had fallen out to distract the nasty beasts ;) We'd take a couple a porkupines and strap 'em upside down to the bottoms of our boots to use as crampons. Our wooden ski poles were sharpened to be used as spears to kill the mogul mice.
-BG HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! :D
You were all lucky: Back in my day frozen water was heavier than liquid water, so if you wanted to ski, you had to hold your breath and jump into a river bed. Now all this new-physics has snow on top and you don't even need to hold your breath.
We had to skin up-hill both ways too. None of this down hill stuff.
skidude
11-01-2003, 12:40 AM
DMC:
Ski stuff wieghs a lot more than snowboard stuff... You lost me on that one...I know ski stuff weighs more but it doesn;t matter if it is on your feet and not on your pack.
What if you hike in your snowboard boots?
How about that - hmmmmmmmm??????
Actually if I take a 75 pound pack up take off a few pounds for food and beer consumed, and a few pds for the board and boots(which I dont really hike in) and you still have a 60 pd pack...
My point is bump sking with a snowboard is tough enough but put a heavy pack on and it's really tough. From my ski days I tend to push myself foward through the bumps but the pack tends to weight me to the back...
So - have you ever snowboarded?? I'm going to guess NO...
boarder25
11-01-2003, 08:54 AM
When I snowboard down Tuck's I hike up wearing my snowboard boots.My crampons fit over my boots perfect.I only go up for the day so by not having an extra pair of boots and the bare minimum. My pack is nearly weightless coming down.
skidude
11-01-2003, 01:41 PM
DMC:
What if you hike in your snowboard boots?
How about that - hmmmmmmmm??????
Actually if I take a 75 pound pack up take off a few pounds for food and beer consumed, and a few pds for the board and boots(which I dont really hike in) and you still have a 60 pd pack...
So - have you ever snowboarded?? I'm going to guess NO... Nope...well yeah I have snowboarded a few times (and hated it) but anyway, what else do you have in your pack to make it 60 lbs after the food/beer/board is off??
Stove - fuel canisters - crampons - sleeping bag - sleeping pad - clothes - emergency gear - avalance (tranceiver, shovel, probe), nalgene containters - water purifier - cooking stuff - FRS radio - minidisk - headlamp - seperate day pack - garbage - and some more stuff...
Lftgly
11-02-2003, 10:11 AM
1. "Tucks"
2. "medium" ? - rating the hike depends on so many factors; are you hiking or skinning up; is it your first hike-to-ski of the season, or have you been doing it every weekend; how many cans of :beer: are you carrying; how many cans of :beer: did you drink last night; what condition is the hiking trail (late season rocks vs. wet snow and mud vs. loose snow vs. hardpack ice); what is the weather (cold, windy, snowy vs. those rare sunny days, maybe even warm). Some days it's easy, and you're at HoJos in an hour and fifteen minutes, rarin' to go to the summit; other days it's an hour and forty-five to HoJos, and the legs just don't want to go much above the Little Headwall.
3. definitely "as hard as you want to make it". You choose which line you want to ski, and whether you feel like skiing it from the top. You assess the difficulty based on the snow conditions on that day, and go from there. Last spring I watched people riding half of a canoe down the runout in the floor of the ravine, which was no steeper than the Brookside beginner lift at Cannon.
skidudeski
what else do you have in your pack to make it 60 lbs after the food/beer/board is off??I used to ask myself the same question, every year - I hit the scale and I break that damn 60 pound mark. So I got scientific on it. Here's the result:
http://timefortuckerman.com/packcalc.html
Works out you can't ski for under 30pnds, and you can't stay over for under 50pnds.
I might work on the stove weight this year, not everyone in the group needs to bring a stove. And I suppose the food can be more carefully chosen, but the weights on the calculator are real-world.
M@
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