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Ispoiler
11-03-2004, 07:37 AM
Please submit you leave of absence papers to HR and pack up all you important belongings. Remember to change your voice mail and set up your out of office notices to " Due to the extreme ignorance of my fellow Americans I (state your name) will be out of the office until mid November 2008, if you need to get in contact with me please look around the bars and back alleys of Whistler Village."
elwood
11-03-2004, 07:57 AM
Do I need a ticket to get on that bus?
Friggin Bible Belt....
Funny... How 911 was such a big issue and the all the states that were directly affected voted for Kerry...
Makes me proud to be from the North East...
We need to form a new country of new england and new york and PA too... but not the bronx... **** the bronx, we don't want the yankees.
M@
Bannick
11-03-2004, 08:52 AM
Apply for your Canadian Immigration soon....I think there might be a back log pretty soon. I have a couch and floor space. Heck I am already harbouring one american.
pepperdawg
11-03-2004, 09:45 AM
Friggin Bible Belt....
Funny... How 911 was such a big issue and the all the states that were directly affected voted for Kerry...
Makes me proud to be from the North East...
I was reflecting on the same thing last nite/this morning....its kinda shows how different the cultures/values/beliefs/etc are between the geographical areas.... :confused:
ignorant hicks (not said out loud - dont want to generalize)
I hope bin-laden takes a peek at the voting maps and leaves us nice blue and leaves the NorthEasxt and west coast alone from no on.
M@
Same sex ballot initiatives took a beating yesterday too...
I say let gays marry.... Let them get divorced and have to split their stuff up too!!!
The morality line blows...
wow... the ink isn't even dry on the ballots and they area already talking drilling...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/11/02/colorado.natural.gas.reut/index.html
DENVER, Colorado (Reuters) -- The U.S. government expects to release a draft management plan this month detailing its plan for natural gas drilling in an environmentally sensitive area in western Colorado known as the Roan Plateau.
The Bush administration has marked the Rocky Mountains for more oil and gas development to lessen domestic reliance on imported energy. Environmental groups have been fighting the plans in a number of Western states.
Justin
11-03-2004, 10:46 AM
We need to form a new country of new england and new york and PA too... but not the bronx... **** the bronx, we don't want the yankees.
M@
Don't forget about the West Coast... I kills me that Bush gets roughly 2 thirds of the votes from "White, Males" and almost half of them sight "family Values" as the Most important issue. Ughh! It nothing more than civil discrimination. This president has taken us 50 years back in terms of Civil rights.
I bare to be represented by such a figure...
That free Health care in Canada sounds pretty nice right now ;)
The thought of moving to Canada cross my mind today..
But Canada has it's political problems too...
How much more of the world is going to turn against us now we are going to have 4 more years of Texas swaggering...?
How many more glaciers are going to start receeding because W turned his back on the Kyoto Treaty...?
How many more will die in the deserts of Iraq....???
Meanwhile - Bin Laden - laughs while we bleed our economy dry....
I am very depressed...
Justin
11-03-2004, 10:56 AM
The thought of moving to Canada cross my mind today..
But Canada has it's political problems too...
True, at least id be in no way associated with 'W.
Kerry Conceeded....11:30 AM. Drilling to start by Noon.
Well, it's like this: Greed and Fear won the election; too bad a disaster is the only way to see the good qualities that a people posess.
Kerry Conceeded....11:30 AM. Drilling to start by Noon.
Well, it's like this: Greed and Fear won the election; too bad a disaster is the only way to see the good qualities that a people posess.
And the world apprieciated those good qualities after 911.... For about a month... Now they hate us...
I hate being hated...
Morality has spoken... Not my morality...
In answer to this question about Global Warming id luv to know more and whats the worst that can happen I wrote:
"None of us knows for sure what the single worst thing would be. Our planetary systems are integrated to the extent that massive fluctuations are unpredictable...in both senses of that word. That is, we don't have the capacity to predict the single worst and also we don't know the result.
There are a number of things that will impact humanity if the warming continues:
Water levels will rise in the oceans making low lying coastal cities into centers of strife, at best. Hopefully loss of life will be less of a factor.
More of the world’s waters will be saline, making for less water in arid areas already suffering from drought and or water shortages. That in turn will impact agriculture which will make food a far more expensive commodity along with potable water being scarcer.
On the commercial side of things insurance rates will rise in coastal areas and those areas having weather changes that defy accurate prediction. As a result the CODB will be higher, pushing retail and wholesale prices up. Resources involving water use will rise in cost making the CODB much higher, again pressuring prices of goods upwards.
Some relocation of infrastructure will likely be attempted, in the short and long term that will put more cash into circulation and create jobs. I have a feeling that there will be a net loss of jobs but this relocation business may in fact help the damaged economies quite a bit. Still, the result will be inflation when coupled with the CODB matters above. That may be moderated by persistent modeling and some of the economic rationality that one could expect of folks pulling hard to respond to devastation for the greater good.
Please understand that these are the worst case matters that I have a feel for. Others may have a feel for other circumstances. Stuff like the tropospheric vortices that start an instant ice age is speculative beyond my satisfaction. However, whatever happens if/when the ocean currents actually do change direction is likely to be worse than my outlines above. How much worse...I really don't have a clue.
The only constants I count on are: greed and fear lead to tragic consequences and devastating tragedies always pull the best efforts of people united in response. In that vein, I feel that if the worst happens, We will respond in powerfully good ways. What happens after that is unknown."
I am certain the likelyhood of continued stress on the climate has gone up as a result of this election and that the stress will be more intense. The petro-industrial complex winning in this way delays remediation and intensifies imbalance.
Do you know where your snowshoes are?
elwood
11-03-2004, 11:53 AM
Kerry Conceeded....11:30 AM. Drilling to start by Noon.
Well, it's like this: Greed and Fear won the election; too bad a disaster is the only way to see the good qualities that a people posess.
Fear most of all. Our country is perpetually kept in a state of fear by our elected officials, our media, and the system. Fundamentally things are not right in this country. The rich get richer, and the poor are kept that way. Unfortunately, nobody has ever had the guts to call for the change that we need. I'm getting sick thinking about the sad state of affairs. I am going to stop talking about it now...
Fear most of all. Our country is perpetually kept in a state of fear by our elected officials, our media, and the system. Fundamentally things are not right in this country. The rich get richer, and the poor are kept that way. Unfortunately, nobody has ever had the guts to call for the change that we need. I'm getting sick thinking about the sad state of affairs. I am going to stop talking about it now...
It makes want to drink... heavily...
Castlerock
11-03-2004, 12:33 PM
For some, belief is enough. There is no analytic process. It what allows people to have "God talk to them".
For others knowlege is the goal. To think, reason, and analyze.
It is as simple as that.
And southerners are dumb fxcks.
Damn I'm pissed. That ******* is going to get to steal from me and my kids, send others to die for his vainity, and load up the Supreme Court with others who just "believe".
....Damn I'm pissed. That ******* is going to get to steal from me and my kids, send others to die for his vainity, and load up the Supreme Court with others who just "believe". And since the Sox won the series an Ice Age can't be far off...
I agree Re your comment about the vanity and the stealing....
Here am I considering my net worth and whether my property values are going to fall....I may have to sell just to keep my equity. Being in medical research I quess I'll have work, but can I afford to?
For some, belief is enough. There is no analytic process. It what allows people to have "God talk to them".
For others knowlege is the goal. To think, reason, and analyze.... Well....I'm real certain I didn't build the mountains or murder 30 million Russians. That tells me two things:
one-There is a power greater than my own
two-I'm not guilty of committing atrocity on 30 million russians
That means I don't have to feel like I'm responsible for committing all the crimes ever committed and can feel a very satisfactory gratitude for alpenglow and such.
PWDR8S
11-03-2004, 12:51 PM
And the world apprieciated those good qualities after 911.... For about a month... Now they hate us...
I hate being hated...
Morality has spoken... Not my morality...
This being hated by many outside of our borders has a serious and deliterious effect on my business(travel/tour agency)! In other words.... this sucks! Prior to 2000 things were great! Then 1st was 9/11 and then SARS and then Bush antagonizing the rest of the world.... aaaauuuggghhh! Now I have to look forward to another 4 years of marginal sales.http://timefortuckerman.com/photopost/data/500/1659furious.gif
Guess I'll work on developing group trips within the good ol' USA and to American friendly places. Not many will want to venture beyond out of fear. This really sucks. OK enough ranting.... I'm done.... Time to suck up and plan for no growth.
Castlerock
11-03-2004, 12:51 PM
That ******* is going to get
Did I get moderated?......
Bannick
11-03-2004, 12:55 PM
The thought of moving to Canada cross my mind today..
But Canada has it's political problems too...
True but most of them revolve around hockey. poutine, the french and softwood lumber trade to the US.
Now that the election is over it will be nice to see our lead news stories up here will be about hockey again.
NHL-RIP :(
Luddite
11-03-2004, 12:55 PM
My son was in a panic when he woke up because I've been saying that if W won we were moving to Canada and he's afraid he'll miss the Red Sox. Ah to be 9 again. I'm pissed at our seemingly irreversable drift towards theocracy, but I'm even more pissed that the "young voters" turned out at only 10%, way below expectations. These are the kids that will die in the Bush wars, that will inherit the deficit and crappy environment, and it appears that they didn't care enough to go and vote. The christian taliban did turn out, and presto, we lose. I am glad to see NH get it right for a change and line up with the rest of New England though.
Bannick
11-03-2004, 12:59 PM
having spent the majority of the summer in michigan (aka rural detroit) I was surprised that Kerry took Michigan. Not knowing the party history in michigan it just seemed that I saw a lot more support for Bush (bumper stickers, signs, ads etc.) than Kerry. Maybe that was the problem. Though when you spend that much on a campaign I find it hard to believe that you weren't heard.
I think Australia has it right. Voting is mandatory case closed.
Did I get moderated?......
Dave installed an autofilter that replaces some words with *****
M@
Luddite
11-03-2004, 01:02 PM
Dave installed an autofilter that replaces some words with *****
M@
I'm ***** ***** ****** ****** at that *******, ****! **** up his **** **** *** ****** ****, *** wife ******, ******* *** **** * **** *** Kennebunkport
Now I feel better :)
PWDR8S
11-03-2004, 01:08 PM
Woah!
The really scary part is that you can only be elected president twice - so Bush has a shot at another 4 years after winning this, his FIRST election.
M@
PWDR8S
11-03-2004, 01:24 PM
The really scary part is that you can only be elected president twice - so Bush has a shot at another 4 years after winning this, his FIRST election.
M@ Nooooooooooooooooooooooo! Say it ain't sooooooooooooooooo!
The really scary part is that you can only be elected president twice - so Bush has a shot at another 4 years after winning this, his FIRST election.
M@
Funny...
ski&ride
11-03-2004, 02:26 PM
How much more of the world is going to turn against us now we are going to have 4 more years of Texas swaggering...?
How many more glaciers are going to start receeding because W turned his back on the Kyoto Treaty...?
How many more will die in the deserts of Iraq....???
Meanwhile - Bin Laden - laughs while we bleed our economy dry....
But who cares - as long as gays can't marry and a raped teenager can't get an abortion... :rolleyes: :(
I'm depressed today. But I'm glad NH voted correctly this time, and I was a small part of that. Besides voting, I took a turn holding Kerry signs in the street and met alot of nice, real people with so much spirit. The Kerry supporters in my area have alot more passion than Bush's. (except for some republicans shouting really mean things to us, which I can't say due to the new word filter-they must've been Yankees fans too).
I just wish the rest of the country understood more of the real issues that negatively affect our economy, environment, and foreign relations. Which will now continue for at least 4 more years. Sigh.
Looks like the bus ride is about a year long if you wanna go to Canada:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1896&e=6&u=/nm/election_canada_haven_dc
Americans seeking to immigrate can apply to become permanent citizens of Canada, a process that often takes a year. Becoming a full citizen takes a further three years.
M@
Re: Travel gets harder
Dood, clear out your old PM's...my reply:
Thanks! got bounced!
cliffhuxtable
11-03-2004, 03:38 PM
Please submit you leave of absence papers to HR and pack up all you important belongings. Remember to change your voice mail and set up your out of office notices to " Due to the extreme ignorance of my fellow Americans I (state your name) will be out of the office until mid November 2008, if you need to get in contact with me please look around the bars and back alleys of Whistler Village."
Ahhh, funnies. I really thought a southern state or 2 and a cow herder state or 2 would turn over. Not to be.....I'm very proud to be from Pennsylvania right now, espically from where Affix and I live. Its was the burbs of Phila and Pittsburgh that got in front of the central and north parts of the state. Typically these are Republician areas outside the Dem nodes, but we saws the light and split our tickets (well, me)
I think it's easy to say the more intellectual you are, the more north and east you are.
PWDR8S
11-03-2004, 03:38 PM
Dood, clear out your old PM's...my reply:
got bounced! Wooops!..... gotta stay on top of that! Sorry! http://www.timefortuckerman.com/forums/images/smilies/redface.gif
Luddite
11-04-2004, 12:25 PM
what's good for Killington...
http://timefortuckerman.com/photopost/data/658/1354newmap-med.JPG
Castlerock
11-04-2004, 12:35 PM
Yes!!! Rep points for the technophobe! We could import raw materials from them and sell them back finished goods....They'd be.....a colony!
Cool.... !!!
I'd be proud to merge all the states that don't talk with a southern twang with Canada!!!
pepperdawg
11-04-2004, 01:01 PM
Mad rep points for that one!!!
:D
elwood
11-04-2004, 01:54 PM
what's good for Killington...
http://timefortuckerman.com/photopost/data/658/1354newmap-med.JPG
rep given!
Jolly J
11-04-2004, 03:56 PM
Welcome to the Great White North....eh?
I'm like Bannick alot in that I'm both confused and interested by US politics. I thought that maybe I saw the Bush Gov. from a biased angle looking in from the outside. You folks have pretty much proven me right.
This is the view one Canadian Politician has on the the Bush Administration. (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2004/11/03/699326-cp.html)
Either way I hope somehow dub-ya see's his errs and starts mending some fences. The world became even scarier after the election.
Luddite
11-04-2004, 04:03 PM
Good on Carolyn! Did ya see this one on Borowitz?
CANADA REPORTS HUGE JUMP IN IMMIGRATION Over 55,000,000 Requests for Citizenship Since Tuesday Night Canadian immigration officials have reported a huge increase in the number of requests for Canadian citizenship in the past twenty-four hours, with over fifty-five million such inquiries pouring in since late Tuesday night.
Of those fifty-five million requests, well over 99.99% of them came from U.S. citizens, the lion’s share residing in such states as New York, California, Massachusetts, Oregon, Washington, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Wisconsin, Vermont, Maine, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Maryland, and the District of Columbia.
Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Pierre Pettigrew said that he was “flabbergasted” by the fifty-five-million-plus requests for Canadian citizenship, adding that it was difficult to pinpoint the precise reasons for the staggering increase.
“My only theory is that after many years of exposure in the U.S., hockey is finally starting to catch on,” Mr. Pettigrew said.
He cautioned, however, that it is impossible to know exactly what is sparking the sudden interest in America’s frozen neighbor to the north: “People answering our immigration hotline say that it is hard to understand many of the American callers because they are sobbing uncontrollably.”
In other news, President Bush used his acceptance speech Wednesday to reach out to supporters of Sen. John Kerry, telling them, “You can run, but you can’t hide.”
Meanwhile, in his first statement since being voted out of office Tuesday night, Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle said, “Do you want fries with that?”
Elsewhere, experts said that exit polls may have falsely predicted a Kerry victory because Kerry voters exited while Bush voters stayed behind and voted again.
Justin
11-04-2004, 04:05 PM
Welcome to the Great White North....eh?
I'm like Bannick alot in that I'm both confused and interested by US politics. I thought that maybe I saw the Bush Gov. from a biased angle looking in from the outside. You folks have pretty much proven me right.
This is the view one Canadian Politician has on the the Bush Administration. (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2004/11/03/699326-cp.html)
Either way I hope somehow dub-ya see's his errs and starts mending some fences. The world became even scarier after the election.
This is what is most discourageing! Being represented by such a charcter is damaging to the charcter of Americans; particularly the ones who disagree with his policies ( most of the folks around here) :(
Jolly J
11-04-2004, 04:14 PM
This is why I used Bush Admin, and Bush Gov and not Americans. I have a lot of American friends.
You know they keep bragging about Bush got the most votes of any president. I bet Kerry got the more votes for someone who did not win the big seat.
PWDR8S
11-04-2004, 05:37 PM
Looks like Americans will be stereotyped for another 4 yrs thanks to the puppet in the head office. There's not much we can do at this time..... I have a few friends whom have packed up and went north in the past 2 days! I was stunned! But live and let live! I never did get a response as to why they up and left.
I hope you Canadian friends can handle the influx of runaways! Send them back if they cause trouble.
I hope you Canadian friends can handle the influx of runaways! Send them back if they cause trouble.
No friggin rich cowboy zealot is going to keep me from the country I love...
In the words of Little Steven Van Zant...
I am a patriot... And i love my country..
Castlerock
11-04-2004, 06:20 PM
I am a patriot... And i love my country..
Yes and we are kicking the Red States out and annexing Canada!
Yes and we are kicking the Red States out and annexing Canada!
Friggin rednecks... :)
I have no idea if these stats are true... but they are funny..
http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/m/p/mpm265/election.htm
Justin
11-04-2004, 06:31 PM
How does Alaska get off being Republican state? Yikes!
And what about colorado? Huh? Kmrn?
M@
Ispoiler
11-04-2004, 06:53 PM
I hope you Canadian friends can handle the influx of runaways! Send them back if they cause trouble.[/QUOTE]
I thought I was getting kicked out of Canada once, pretty funny! I would love to retell the story, but i don't remember that part of the night.
Jolly J
11-04-2004, 08:45 PM
Almost got deported from the US on my first tuckerman's trip. We crossed the border at 2 in the morning on June 21st, 1997, in 3 vehicles. The last truck had all the gear. I went first in my Jeep with my buddy who was coming down to do some hiking. When asked where our skis were it was the first day of summer afterall, we said in the truck she let us go. The State Troopers called the Houlton Irving where we planned to meet up after crossing the border and said if we didn't come back in 10 minutes they were going to send the Border Patrol after us charge us with illegile entry into the states. We got back to customs and were intergated for an hour because we were short 1 pair of skis and didn't say the my buddy was hiking. They thought we were smuggling him into the country. I apologized (this is what Canadians do) for the misunderstanding and was almost hauled back into intergation for being a smart ass. We now bury our ski gear under our camping gear and say were are going camping and hiking around Mount Washington. If we do get searched and they find the skis we say we are bringing them with us because we heard there was snow. This makes for much easier border crossings.
Affix Snow
11-05-2004, 07:53 AM
Friggin rednecks... :)
Friggin' Bible-bangers!
Affix Snow
11-05-2004, 08:01 AM
Last time we were commin home from Mt. Washington in October, we went through one of those boarder checkpoints that are nowhere near the boarder on 91, way south of St. Johnsbury. We pulled up and the Boarder patrol guy took one look at the three of us and started asking us "drug" questions. Granted we were WAY hungover and sure looked it, but from booze not drugs. Not to mention we were already some 50miles inside the US! Oh and i forgot...we are CITIZENS! Also, we never went to Canada! When asked where we were we said Mt. Washington...apparently this wasnt good enough....They threatened the dogs , but let us go after a few minutes.
Funniest part was he truly singled out Ispoiler in the backseat... ;)
Luddite
11-05-2004, 09:30 AM
This is why I used Bush Admin, and Bush Gov and not Americans. I have a lot of American friends.
You know they keep bragging about Bush got the most votes of any president. I bet Kerry got the more votes for someone who did not win the big seat.
Kerry got more votes than Reagan, Daddy Bush, Clinton or Gore. Somehow this was not in the press, all we saw was that W got the more votes thann these guys.
Luddite
11-05-2004, 09:34 AM
Anyone know how to make bumper stickers?
http://timefortuckerman.com/photopost/data/658/1354carryon.GIF
Affix Snow
11-05-2004, 09:39 AM
Anyone know how to make bumper stickers?
http://timefortuckerman.com/photopost/data/658/1354carryon.GIF
Thats sweeeeeet!!!
That would make a good shirt too!
I Threw ya some rep!
Funniest part was he truly singled out Ispoiler in the backseat... ;)
Did ISPoiler have all the ink back then?
Affix Snow
11-05-2004, 09:49 AM
Did ISPoiler have all the ink back then?
In October.......YES!
Most likely the reason....profiling.
I hate that sh!T! Pisses me off so much!
Most people laugh at me when i tell them i a teacher...jsut because of how i dress and facial hair and tattoos....F-them!
Also Like just because i snowboard, SOME skiers look down on me, but as soon as i say i tele....im cool again. ;)
Sorry. Im sensitive today.
PWDR8S
11-05-2004, 01:35 PM
Oooooh! Lookout! Touchy person online! DANGER! DANGER! DANGER WILL ROBINSON! TGIF!
Hope your day goes smoothly.... like a greased pig on a grassy slope. http://www.timefortuckerman.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif
Also Like just because i snowboard, SOME skiers look down on me, but as soon as i say i tele....im cool again. ;)
Me too - except I don't say I tele...
I say F YOU!!!!!!
:D
Actually I ignore them... It's not a popularity contest out there ;)
GOD - I can't wait to be out there....
Oooooh! Lookout! Touchy person online! DANGER! DANGER! DANGER WILL ROBINSON! TGIF!
William - dear boy - dear sweet boy... young... boy...
http://www.crazedfanboy.com/nolansnewsstand02/images/jonathanharris2a.jpg
Castlerock
11-05-2004, 01:45 PM
LOL
Rep
Justin
11-05-2004, 01:48 PM
Me too - except I don't say I tele...
I say F YOU!!!!!!
:D
Actually I ignore them... It's not a popularity contest out there ;)
GOD - I can't wait to be out there....
I find this such a silly rivilry. When i was living in Bethel Maine during ( and skiing every day except for Mondays, my free time on the hill was often spent with snowboarders. they ain't so bad... Plus they know where ALL the "resting" huts are ;)
Plus they know where ALL the "resting" huts are ;)
We call them taking a safety break at Hunter...
Like I've said... I'm a minority on a board in my crowd... I hang mainly with telemarkers now...
ski&ride
11-05-2004, 02:37 PM
So does that mean that the haters only disrespect me on the days I ride my board, but will be nice to me when I'm on skis?
So stupid...
Sorry if I'm rehashing all this, but I never really got the ski vs. board junk. I don't judge or stereotype people, that's probably why (Well, except for "terrorist profiling", unfortunately).
Affix Snow
11-05-2004, 02:39 PM
So does that mean that the haters only disrespect me on the days I ride my board, but will be nice to me when I'm on skis?
Yes. Exactly. ;)
Jolly J
11-05-2004, 06:42 PM
I hate snowboarders....except with I snowboard....then I hate skiers....then when I X-Country...I hate downhillers....When I downhill...I hate X-Countriers (new word)...I hate everyone...Or is that I secretly like each other....Nevermind...that didn't make sense....Hmmm...Hey look I'm outta beer....
TenSeven
11-05-2004, 07:50 PM
Do you think that Bush will invoke the military draft?
Do you think that Bin Laden's most recent video played any part in Bush's re-election?
Justin
11-05-2004, 09:49 PM
PLease don't even mention this... I WILL go to Canada before going to Iraq.
Ispoiler
11-06-2004, 08:03 PM
Thats a tough call. I'm not sure whats worse living with Canadians or ungreatful Iraq's who blow up cars when nobody is looking.
....or ungreatful Iraq's who blow up cars when nobody is looking.'scuse me, but the non-interventionist folks blowing stuff up over there have gone way past ungreatful. They are boiling mad over stuff most NorAms have no idea about. Maybe there's a bunch of religious zealots involved*, but they do have a dialectic based on some very nasty interventions involving the demise of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and many things between then and now. They are neither cowards nor fools...they will die fighting if that suits their purpose. And they are a patient enemy, with subtle craft and skill.
They will not be dismissed, either by jibe or in combat. I do not suport even the slightest part of their methods nor most of what they claim to want but I cannot ignore the facts. Some say they (the people making up the nation of Iraq, which btw is not much older than Tommy T) want freedom and some others say they want a theocracy. We, that is most of us here, are utterly ignorant of the value that might be inherent in some of their customs...just as they are of the value resulting from ours.
Don't forget that their brightest and best earned their doctorates abroad...many of them at Boston University.....right in the home of the free and the brave and the brahmins of the blue blood. Given time most people will seek that which liberates them...but people will also join gangs because they are afraid...they will eschew freedom for security....just as we did here after 9-11, much to my dismay.
oh, that * above....check the zealotry of of the neo-cons.....that should be equally scary!
Ispoiler
11-07-2004, 03:12 PM
I do not agree with their methods or condone their attacks but I can sympathies with their causes. The Iraqi people went from an oppressive paranoid tyrant who had no qualms with murdering his own family members to a new American style dictatorship that seems content with the chaos because multinational firms are still cashing in. If Halliburton for example were to stop making money in Iraq I bet the intensity of combat operations would increase significantly. The Iraqi people don't know who to turn to for help so they join in these fringe movements and strike out at anything western be it US troops or fellow citizens who are supportive of this new American outpost in the Middle East. I really find myself split down the middle of this issue, I did not support the war in the first place and I feel like the US has no right to force western values on a population who is intellectually still in the dark ages. Evolution of a mindset can not happen in a year or be influenced by a barrel of a rifle. Iraq is not like Central America, the US can not bully a population into submission when there are so many people ready to die for their cause.
elwood
11-07-2004, 04:03 PM
I do not agree with their methods or condone their attacks but I can sympathies with their causes. The Iraqi people went from an oppressive paranoid tyrant who had no qualms with murdering his own family members to a new American style dictatorship that seems content with the chaos because multinational firms are still cashing in. If Halliburton for example were to stop making money in Iraq I bet the intensity of combat operations would increase significantly. The Iraqi people don't know who to turn to for help so they join in these fringe movements and strike out at anything western be it US troops or fellow citizens who are supportive of this new American outpost in the Middle East. I really find myself split down the middle of this issue, I did not support the war in the first place and I feel like the US has no right to force western values on a population who is intellectually still in the dark ages. Evolution of a mindset can not happen in a year or be influenced by a barrel of a rifle. Iraq is not like Central America, the US can not bully a population into submission when there are so many people ready to die for their cause.
Killing them all would be a simple solution. Scary, but I am sure our current administration has that on the agenda as a contingency plan.
Killing them all would be a simple solution. Scary, but I am sure our current administration has that on the agenda as a contingency plan.that might be...making our leaders of that mindset that could easily travel down that road commented on thusly:
First they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out –
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the communists
And I did not speak out –
Because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out –
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me –
And there was no-one left
Bannick
11-08-2004, 07:23 AM
Thats a tough call. I'm not sure whats worse living with Canadians or ungreatful Iraq's who blow up cars when nobody is looking.
living with canadians is way worse......all the donuts and maple syrup gets to you after a while :)
Jolly J
11-08-2004, 08:35 AM
Thats a tough call. I'm not sure whats worse living with Canadians or ungreatful Iraq's who blow up cars when nobody is looking.
Nice Comparison, you should run for president.
BladeGirl
11-08-2004, 10:36 AM
So does that mean that the haters only disrespect me on the days I ride my board, but will be nice to me when I'm on skis?
Don't babes get a pass on being hated? ;)
-BG
ps: Ispoiler, what about Canadians who blow up cars? Oh wait, that was drunken Red Sox fans. :rolleyes:
Affix Snow
11-08-2004, 10:38 AM
Don't babes get a pass on being hated? ;)
-BG
Babes always get a pass! Unless they talk smack on others..... ;)
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I heard it called "Metro States" vs "Retro States" last night...
Skilasnow
11-17-2004, 11:51 PM
Lincoln should have let them secede and offered amnesty to all slaves that could make it North ... and ... and ... well, alot of other things. ****ing Bible Belt!
And Rhenquist isn't likely to last another four years, so get yer tubes tied, and I mean both of you. If GW gets two appointments, not unlikely, I can see Roe v Wade getting overturned.
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