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jshefftz
04-08-2010, 10:37 AM
Just trying to gauge potential interest in a new format for an avy course I might be teaching for the 2010-11 season. I'm hoping to get it listed as a Level 1 NSP course, although like all NSP avy courses, it would still be open to the public. (Plus the only thing that distinguishes NSP avy courses from AIARE and other courses aimed exclusively at recreationalists is that we spend some time on formal group rescue in additional to companion rescue.) If it's not an NSP course, then students will not receive any sort of "official" certificate, although either way, the lead instructors are both NSP & AIARE instructors, and each student will receive a detailed report card.

So what's new about the format?

First, each student has to do some pre-course reading, take two on-line courses (mtn wx and FEMA ICS), and complete a pre-course review quiz.

Second, we hold a [very] full day Fall Session (about 10 hours, probably at Western Mass's Northfield Mtn, which is a very convenient location coming from lots of direction), which will be a mix of classroom discussion and group exercises (not endless powerpoint lectures), outdoor beacon & probing practice, then conclude with a gear inspection (both pack and winter backcountry travel gear) and hour-long fitness-assessment hike (although just with the pack -- we won't make you tromp around amidst the fall foliage with your winter backcountry travel gear).

Third, some additional homework is assigned in advance of the Winter Field Sessions (which will take place probably during an early March weekend, probably based out of Pinkham Notch).

Fourth, the Winter Field Sessions will be just that, all field sessions, with lots of discussion each morning, but focused on what we're going to do each day. Throughout each day we'll have lots of discussion and practice exercises (especially rescue), but in the field, focused on where we are and what we're really doing, as opposed to sitting in the classroom. (We'll also have a Saturday evening session to go over the homework assignment.) We'll have a max of 8 students for this weekend, with the two lead instructors, and possible one or two assistant instructors.

Fifth, everyone needs to have touring gear, although avy rescue gear will be available to borrow, demo, and/or buy. I'm hoping that exclusively slowshoers and the like will allow us to cover more terrain and thereby keep open more options for some interesting tours.

If your interest is at all piqued by this, then send an email to "AvyCourse" at a google mail account and I'll reply with an eight-page pdf file along with an Excel file for the detailed schedule.
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EDIT:
For all of you who thought my emailed pdf file was pretty old fashioned, the combination of the return to winter up north with the lousy weather locally motivated me to put up a quickie website:
http://avycourse.blogspot.com/
Still no dates, and the comment notification and sign-up feature still has me a bit baffled, but everything else seems to be okay so far.
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(And if you're a westerner reading this and thinking, "hey, that's what all our avy courses are like out here," well, great, I'm glad to hear that.)
Oh, and don't worry, just b/c I'm thinking about next season already does mean I'm implying that this season is over -- although these summer temps sure are discouraging!

StuckInJersey
04-08-2010, 12:41 PM
Interesting concept. I felt like the 2 or 3 day in a row course was good but left your head spinning a little. That format should take care of that issue.

lynchdogger
04-08-2010, 05:29 PM
Thanks for post. Very interested in program. It's been a long while and would love a refresher. What is the cost and deadline for registration? Please post correct email address or link to website - was not able to find you. Thanks. Cheers.

Mark

jshefftz
04-08-2010, 09:09 PM
Cost is pretty much nothing (since the two lead instructors despite all their professional credentials earn their livings from other pursuits and hence teach for free) -- for the full L1 course (including Winter Field Sessions) probably about $100 per student (to cover NSP fees and instructor expenses), plus your own lodging (probably at AMC Joe Dodge Lodge to keep everyone together), plus books.

Just email me using AvyCourse at my gmail account to receive all the detailed draft info files.

UberIM
04-09-2010, 10:58 AM
Cost is pretty much nothing (since the two lead instructors despite all their professional credentials earn their livings from other pursuits and hence teach for free) -- for the full L1 course (including Winter Field Sessions) probably about $100 per student (to cover NSP fees and instructor expenses), plus your own lodging (probably at AMC Joe Dodge Lodge to keep everyone together), plus books.

Just email me using AvyCourse at my gmail account to receive all the detailed draft info files.

I am definitely interested. I emailed you but to your professional email account. don't know your gmail account.


Alan

DSM
04-09-2010, 01:35 PM
Hi Jonathan - count me is as "very interested" :skismile:
-Deacon

samthaman
04-09-2010, 05:17 PM
I am definitely interested. I emailed you but to your professional email account. don't know your gmail account.


Alan

dude, seriously?

his name @gmail.com ..... unless i'm seriously missing something

Dan9
04-10-2010, 09:54 AM
edit.

jshefftz
04-10-2010, 10:08 AM
Just to clarify the references to cost: making the course less expensive is *not* a goal of the course. Rather, all NSP courses (at least out East) end up being cheaper than commercial providers simply b/c the current policy is that the NSP volunteer instructors are reimbursed only for relatively minimal expenses. We are *not* trying to undercut or compete with commercial providers. (I've taken my AIARE instructor training courses alongside professional instructors from all the different commercial providers in the East, and the last thing I want to do is undermine the living earned by these colleagues for whom I have great respect.)
By way of even more background, NSP's Roger Damon was teaching avalanche safety courses in the mid-1960s (and he still is now, even at over 80 yrs old!), long before the East even had any commercial avy course providers. All NSP avy courses are open to the public since NSP is very interested in outreach to all backcountry recreationalists. Some NSP avy courses end up being almost exclusively patrollers, and some are more 50/50 -- varies both by venue and by year (beats me why). Overall, most NSP avy courses in the East are just one-day awareness courses in the mid-Atlantic states far from avy terrain, and nearly all commercial courses are more thorough two-day or three-day courses in Northern New England, so that forms a nice division w/o much price competition.

WildcatBC
04-20-2010, 08:57 PM
Hey I left a comment but I'm not sure if it went through. Just let me know.

jshefftz
08-12-2010, 10:24 PM
Just an update that we still have three slots available -- seven out of a maximum of ten are already taken.
So if you're potentially interested, take a look at the various updates on the website:
http://avycourse.blogspot.com/
. . . and get in touch with me to reserve a slot.

davygoat2
09-13-2010, 11:48 AM
As a patroller I had the privilege of attending the NSP Avy1 class @ Tucks
03/10 ,Roger was a blast and I was deeply disturbed that he motored up to the Alpine Garden, while i was a huffin and a puffin. I think it was about 300 for the three days. and i could have stayed throught the monday.

NtrentT
09-13-2010, 06:00 PM
I took the AIARE level 1 course a while back with EMS climbing school in N Conway, and I know what you mean about the "ENDLESS POWERPOINTS" !

I really like your outline for content delivery, it's far more efficient and I think the students will retain much more valuable information than what I experienced.

For 100 bucks, if schedule wise things permit I would be interested in a refresher, via your pedagogy through NSP L.1

jshefftz
09-13-2010, 08:35 PM
Currently at 8 students for the L1 course, out of 10 max.
Plus three students attending only the November classroom portion.
I'll probably cut off registration soon, since that's already a pretty much ideal course size.
Latest on exact costs here:
http://avycourse.blogspot.com/2010/04/registration-form.html

jshefftz
09-21-2010, 10:26 AM
Course is now full for this season.
Only exception would be if up to a few NSP members were interested in attending only the November classroom session.
But if you're potentially interested in attending the course for the 2011-12 season, feel free to send me a PM with your email address.

jshefftz
09-22-2010, 08:57 PM
Just had a cancellation (student got assigned to the night shift before the first class date, ugh), so one spot now available in case anyone is interested.

jshefftz
03-14-2011, 06:46 PM
Just trying to gauge potential interest in a new format for an avy course I might be teaching for the 2010-11 season.

I can’t believe I wrote that. So let’s see, potential interest, well, the course is now full. The 2011-12 course that is.
Yes, we completed the 2010-11 course only this past weekend with what turned out to be the realistic max enrollment we can handle for this format of eight students, and I already have at least eight preregistration checks for 2011-12 either in hand or in the mail. However, I’m sure that some students’ plans will change by the time course fees and registration come due by Labor Day weekend, so chances are pretty good for getting off the waitlist if you preregister now.
To preregister, just take care of step number one as listed here:
http://avycourse.blogspot.com/2010/04/registration-form.html
The check will be cashed only if you get in off the waitlist, and only once you decide to register by Labor Day weekend, so preregistration entails no commitment, but rather is just a way of showing some serious intent beyond a quick email.
Also, for those interested in attending only the Fall Session – either as an intro course or as a refresher – we still have plenty of space for that. Same step for preregistration, although be sure to note if it’s only for the Fall Session.